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la_marquise ([personal profile] la_marquise) wrote2012-09-18 01:48 pm

Harassment

I'm going to regret this...

Sexual harassment is never acceptable. By anyone, of anyone. That is, for me, the bottom line. I've been on the receiving end of it on and off for most of my life. In my earliest memory, I was about 12 and a boy from my class walked past me in the school corridor and grabbed my crotch. Nobody said anything to him. Nobody said anything to me. It was just a thing that boys did. Ever since then, from time to time I've been randomly groped, grabbed, handled and commented on, backed into corners, stared at in ways that made me scared or uncomfortable, and generally treated as a object several times every year. Some of this happens in public -- on the street. Some of it happens in private spaces. Some of it happens within fandom, some not. Sometimes it happens at work. It is, sadly, part of my life. It's part of the life of every woman I know.

The worst incidents... The two scariest (the man who pushed me into his car in a country where I knew only one person, who was not there and where I did not speak the language, the group of young men who crowded into the phone box I was using and starting threatening me) happened out there in the real world. But I've had a fair number of incidents in fannish spaces, too. Most recently, a man I had never seen before in my life managed to make me very uncomfortable in a lift at Chicon 3. No, I don't know who he was. I was trying not to look back at him. I was trying not to give him an opening to move even closer or to try and start a conversation. I am, you need to know at this point, 50. This is 38 years and counting of intermittent harassment.

But here's a thing. These men (and twice, women) have come from all sorts of backgrounds and places, they have been older than me and younger. The man who forced me into his car was probably in his 60s. The one who followed me all over a con despite the continuous presence of the marquis and kept trying to get me to go off alone with him was probably no older than 21. I've been groped by strangers who were as strange to everyone else present as they were to me, and people 'everyone knows'. The behaviour -- touching, hassling, harassing, demanding attention, demanding a piece of me -- is not unique to any age group, any social group, any background.

Sometimes, I've had help when this happens. The people who help come from all backgrounds, age groups, social groups, too. The person who rescued me from one of the scariest things that's happened to me within fandom was someone who is a serial conrunner and possibly a Big Name Fan. I've been helped by friends and fellow fans, by strangers, by fellow writers, by officials (thank you, the porters of Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge, for rescuing me and my friend C from the man who was following us).

I am a serial volunteer at conventions (and I've been involved in the running of several small cons and one big one, though I am not a SMOF) and a lot of the hassle I've got has been when I was working. There is, sadly, a subset of convention attendees who forget that volunteers are people, too, and who become entitled, demanding and sometimes abusive, because volunteers are there for their convenience, and no other reason. Some congoers, frankly, treat the con staff as servants, and not servants they respect, either. (Yes, there are rude volunteers, too. Yes, some of them can be mean to congoers.) Volunteers are often in the front line when it comes to dealing with abuse. Female volunteers are particularly vulnerable. People with a grudge, a grouse, people looking for someone to manipulate often target the women who are working as a first move, because, culturally, we in the UK expect women to put up and shut up. And if we talk back, we're more likely to be told off for it, too.

I could draw various conclusions from this, most of them blindingly obvious -- I get more hassle when I'm alone or with one or two other women of around my own age than when with a larger group or with the marquis; some people think that having spoken to me once when I'm doing something official (like working in Green Room, which I do compulsively and have done since 1989, I think) means they know me and can follow me everywhere. I get more hassle at cons where I know fewer people (though as a side note, US cons are worse than Canadian or European ones for this. I do not have a theory as to why). When I look at the women I know, and the incidents I know about, though, there are two things overall that emerges about harassment at cons.

1) Any woman can be harassed, but women who are newer to the environment, or working at the convention are more vulnerable because they are more often either alone or with people they don't know well, and are more obliged to talk to strangers.

2) Anyone can be an harasser. ANYONE. It's not unique to older people or younger ones, to BNFs or walk-ins.


The most recent prominent incident that the sff community has been discussing involved one man who is prominent in fandom and two women. A BNF, a writer and someone who volunteers at conventions. Last year, at World Fantasy Con in San Diego, a man who seems to have been new to the sff community serially harassed and groped a number of women, some writers, some not. The year before, also at WFC, the harasser was an individual in a position of power in the professional world. All of these incidents are appalling.

And this is the bit I'm going to regret.

This isn't just something done to women by SMOFS. Editors do it. Writers do it. New fans do it. Established fans do it. People who are staying in the same hotel and are not anything to do with the convention do it. Other people say stupid things about it, because they don't want to think their friends can do bad things. But this is not just about SMOFs, or older fans, or conrunners. This is not a behaviour that can be attributed neatly to only one group and suppressed. I repeat.

Anyone can be an harasser.

And that includes me and you and everyone we know.
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[identity profile] lamentables.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 12:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I really admire your unwaveringly principled stance and the grace with which you speak out. I hope no-one tries to make you regret it.
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seconded!
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[personal profile] yendi 2012-09-18 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Anyone can be an harasser.

This is absolutely true, and strikes me as something that shouldn't be controversial in the least.

Part of the rage at SMOFs (at least within the circles I tend to frequent) is that there was (and is) a group of laregely-SMOF folks wagon-circling to deny that anything bad even happened at Readercon, and between that and the initial protection offered to RW, there's been very much a sense that one can get away with harassment if one is in the "club."

But that's no different than editors or professors getting away with it because of their positions of power, or even random people getting away with it because they know many things can come down to "he said/she said" situations (with any other pronoun combination possible there, of course). Anyone who thinks that harassers can only come from one group is sorely mistaken.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-09-18 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes! That, I think, is what I was trying to say -- that this is about how groups behave, rather than about the way one particular group behaves (with the implication that other groups are better). Thank you.

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[identity profile] aliettedb.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 01:31 pm (UTC)(link)
>Anyone can be an harasser.
That hardly strikes me as controversial (quite the contrary in fact!). Thank you for coming forward with this; it needed to be said.
PS: you were much missed in Brittany :(

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-09-18 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I really missed being there. :-(

[identity profile] emmzzi.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 01:32 pm (UTC)(link)
You need regret nothing in this fine piece of writing.

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[identity profile] gillpolack.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 01:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with you wholeheartedly.

The implication is we all need to take responsibility for *not* harassing and we all have to learn how to behave sensibly and kindly towards strangers.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-09-18 02:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I do wonder, sometimes, at the number of people who seem to forget that they can have responsibilities to others. It's true that it's hard for one person to change anything, but if we get together and try we can do more than we think.

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[personal profile] lagilman 2012-09-18 01:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I see no reason why you should regret saying any of this. It's a well-stated variant of "don't be an asshole," which is (sadly) something the human race needs to hear on a regular repeating loop...

And anyone who tries to OhBut! needs to listen more carefully to that loop.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-09-18 02:20 pm (UTC)(link)
:-)
I used the SMOF word. It's been niggling at me that the debate keeps going back to blaming conrunners, some of whom have behaved badly. This not only ignores all the conrunners who work to make things better, it also raises the danger of letting other harassers get away with it.

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[identity profile] joycemocha.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 01:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know why you should regret this. It is a well-written piece which needs to be said.

[identity profile] frandowdsofa.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Well Said That Woman.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-09-18 02:20 pm (UTC)(link)
You are one of my role models, you know.

[identity profile] piratejenny.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
No reason to regret stating the truth. More power to you for doing it.

I think I've adopted the husband's death glare. Since I've been with him, I get hassled less, even when I'm alone. It does still happen, but not like it used to.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-09-18 02:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep. I stick with the marquis, who has long hair, a beard, and a death stare.
It works. But here we are in 2012 and we are still needing male help to stay safe.

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[identity profile] lil-shepherd.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't see anything to regret here. (But I'm really, really sorry - and, incidentally, horrified - that you have been harrassed so often.)

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-09-18 02:23 pm (UTC)(link)
As I said, I don't think I know a single woman who has not been harassed at some point in her life.

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[identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
A very good post - and there's nothing in it that ought to be controversial at all.

[identity profile] fjm.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 01:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Beautifully written.

[identity profile] xenaclone.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)
/\ WORD

This also includes not touching the GOHs inappropriately.

Yes, you may fancy him/her/them [or their character on screen]. Does this means you can throw yourself at the object of your crush/lust/love? Abso-fricking-lutely not!

(I'm thinking of an incident in which the fragrant and handsome Nathan Fillion has his behind groped by a so-called fan).

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-09-18 02:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes! The way people can behave towards their idols is extraordinary.

[identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Absolutely. This is another way of saying "Don't be an asshole."

The problem seems to be what to do next when one hears "But I was just . . ." "No, I didn't mean . . ." or the sly "You are totally mistaken . . ." and then there is the terrifying "So what are you going to do about it?"

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-09-18 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
It's never easy. But sometimes you have to say, 'Well, it came across like that to me' and *not* let yourself be bullied into apologising to them for minding their behaviour.
As for 'So what are you going to do about it?'... I usually walk away, fast, and go to the nearest safe person I know. I lied like a trooper to that man who pushed me into his car, about the boyfriend I was meeting, and I opened the door while he was still driving and started to get out. In the phone box, I started telling the marquis (to whom I was talking) the exact address and what the young men looked like.
We scream. We yell. We make a huge fuss and attract attention. We kick and bite, if we have to. This is what I tell to my friends' daughters, now all in their teens. I want them never to feel that they are not allowed to make that fuss (which is what I felt, which is why I did nothing about the man who stalked me for a year, or about the man who insisted on spending the night in my room, or all the others, down the years).

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[identity profile] caffeine-fairy.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 03:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Please check out The Backup Project (the LJ comm is on my float) - I think you might find that you have many ideas in common xxx

[identity profile] were-gopher.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 03:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Seconded. BetNoir has been trying to expand the project over here and with Worldcon coming up it is something to promote.

[identity profile] athenais.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 03:57 pm (UTC)(link)
It has been going on all my life and I haven't really seen any change in the way other people react to their friend or someone they like being accused of harassment. It's always, "Even if he/she did, surely it was just a one time thing/not as bad as everyone says/perhaps not entirely non-consensual" and I start to see flames and have to leave the discussion.

But in some cons and some fannish groups there is change trying to happen, at least. A post like this is just what is needed.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-09-18 04:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, me too.
And thank you.

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Hear hear.

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Thank you for this. You are marvelous.

[identity profile] mevennen.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I have been saying this a lot recently, but if people are harrassing other people, then they should be banned from the con. I realise it's hard to do with peripatetic organisations which have different committees, but similar goes for pubs and Pubwatch, which can be quite widespread. We ban people for life if they misbehave on our premises. I don't care if they're friends: two of them were. My primary duty of care is to my colleagues and customers, and to my own safety. The local pubs and cafes will ban people on a regular basis: what this means is that sexual harassment and obnoxious behaviour is kept to a minimum, if not actually stamped out (that's unlikely to happen). Pubwatch's logo is, I think, 'banned from one, banned from all' and they stick to it.

Con coms seem to be going through a remarkable (to me) process of angst over this - relatively few other public places do.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-09-18 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Partly it's down to the Geek Social Fallacies thing, I think, partly down to the myth of fannish tolerance, and partly down to the lack of a formal, overarching organisation. Different concoms have different views, and are variable about how they feel about external pressures.
There is also the legal side, which I can't speak to. I suspect [livejournal.com profile] major_clanger will know, though. Cons are private events, technically, rather than businesses, and the rules are different, I think. People have been removed and had their memberships refunded in the past, and one person has been refused a membership that I know of. But it's tricky.

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[identity profile] al-zorra.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 04:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Where I grew up it was called "making a pass," not "harassment."

From age 13 passes made at me were part of my life. By the time I got to college, there surely were periods in which a pass was made every day, from professors, other students, you name it.

I just didn't think that much of it BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS TO A GIRL - WOMAN.

Until el V and I got married and we were living in NYC. He went with me to attend my first ever sf/f event, which was a reading by pro writers at a lamentably no longer in existence bookstore on Columbus Circle. One of the readers was Asimov. The way he talked to me in the audience Q&A afterwards, the way he looked at me and touched me after that with the little wine and cheese thing -- el V wanted to deck him. It happened again later that year, and several times after with Big Name SF/F people, and it was el V's response that told me this wasn't to be expected or accepted.

I don't think this will ever end. But we can make do a much better job these days of making clear such behavior isn't acceptable -- particularly done to the very young girls and guys at cons or other sf/f events -- and make it safer for them.

I generally didn't feel particularly endangered -- but I sure did feel squicked. But because I didn't feel that way, doesn't mean others don't. I also think that there's more overtly dangerous sexual harassment and rape going on these days targeted at women in particular in this field than in those days. But that's purely anecdotal observation on my part. I have no way of knowing whether or not that is the case.

But what happened to my sister was unthinkable when I was her age. And what happened to me later as well (though before her ordeal) -- I have always blamed on the dangerous city in which I lived -- Albuquerque -- and that I didn't have a car. The city was -- and still is -- very dangerous. Only New Orleans, I think, is more dangerous than this in the U.S. And that's why I don't live in NO -- it IS too dangerous, even with a car, for anyone.

Love, C.
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[identity profile] al-zorra.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
O, I have to add this: I was deeply shocked and dismayed that professional sf/f people behaved this way. I too had bought into the field's characterization of itself as progressive and meritorious, rather than retrogressive and cliquish. Mentioning the incident at the bookstore a few years later among sf/f people, I was flat out called a liar.

Love, C.

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[identity profile] pola-bear.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a wonderful post on the subject. I have found the reaction of some smof-types shocking, but it's not just them. I noticed that particularly recently as I decided to join the smoflist just before the recent explosion.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-09-18 06:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you. I'm glad it's useful.
There are people who say and do stupid things everywhere, sadly, and then fail to understand or listen. And we all have to watch ourselves when our friends do things they shouldn't. It's so tempting to say, 'Oh, but A would never...' when we should, in fact, be watching A and trying to get them to behave better.
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[identity profile] duniazade.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 07:04 pm (UTC)(link)
What I tell to the younger women is this: you're allowed to be not nice, rude, abrupt, mean, unfeminine, brutal. You don't have to be polite or diplomatic. Tell off, threaten, yell, scream, kick, bite, and make it clear that you're not ashamed and you're not afraid.

Believe me, it works. 100% of the harrassers are cowards.

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[identity profile] rdmaughan.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Excellent post. Regrettable that it needs saying but said very well.

[identity profile] frostfox.livejournal.com 2012-09-18 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
You rock. I know you don't always believe in yourself, but I (we) believe in you.
And this is well written and true piece.

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Awesome post. Thank you.

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