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la_marquise ([personal profile] la_marquise) wrote2014-05-10 04:42 pm
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Forgotten writers?

So, The Guardian has an interesting article today about forgotten writers. Literary Hero to Zero

Being me, I am of course certain that I will be forgotten myself (without having ever reached the heights of minor recognition, let alone 'hero') apart perhaps for some of my academic pieces. And that's fine with me, too. Also being me, I've read at least 3 of the 'forgotten' writers mentioned here (Morgan, Dreiser, Wilson) and heard of all the others apart from Mary Mann. But I'm not typical, I suspect (I have a widely -read mother and I have been known to read historical literary criticism for fun and then tracked down the books.)
The article focuses on 'literary' writers. There are names it doesn't mention -- Rosamund Lehman, John Fowles, Elizabeth Taylor, Elizabeth Bowen -- which I hope means people are still assumed to be reading them. There are, of course, far more 'forgotten' genre writers who were huge in their time -- Weyman, Sabatini, even Michael Innes, who was A N Wilson under a pseudonym.
As the article shows in the case of Virigina Woolf, writers can go out of fashion and be rediscovered, or indeed rescued from obscurity entirely. Dumas has never stopped being read or being in print but he has only begun to be accepted by the literary establishment as more than just a 'popular' writer in the last quarter century or so. On the flip side, Dickens was canonised almost at once, despite his popularity, and remains so despite the problems of misogyny, classism and sentimentality in is work. (I do not like Dickens. If I'm going to read social realism of that period, I'll take Balzac and Dostoyevsky.)
Who are your favourite forgotten writers? And who do you predict may be the writers canonised into fame by later generations? I'd like to see a rise in the recognition of Anne Bronte over her sisters, of Emily Eden, Rosamund Lehman and Rumer Godden. And, moving closer to now, Patricia Geary, Pat Murphy, Tanith Lee (who really belongs up there with Angela Carter already), Justina Robson, Judith Tarr and Zenna Henderson.

Skirt of the day: embroidered jeans.

[identity profile] history-monk.livejournal.com 2014-05-10 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Sabatini is forgotten? Oh, well. Not by me.

Where would you class Rebecca West? I'm not sure she's forgotten, but she's not as famous as she deserves. I'm half-way through A Train of Powder, and suspecting that Angela Carter read one of the pieces in it, Opera in Greenville. It has the same exquisitely focussed anger that she could do so well.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2014-05-10 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
She's still taught at university level, so I suspect she's part of canon, if a minor part.

[identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com 2014-05-10 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I remember reading somewhere that Max Beerbohm, at the height of his popularity opined the writers forgotten. Who reads him now? I don't think his stuff as aged well.

I'm fascinated by Mary Davys, who wrote straight out of the id vortex when the novel was still flailing about finding its form. Eliza Haywood had plots stolen (and made more famous) by male writers such as Richardson and Fielding, but to be fair, I think they had a better grasp on wit. But then I haven't read everything of hers--so hard to get hold of over here.

So much of fame rests on happenstance--something in conversation with something else, often through another medium, such as a song that catches fire, and of course movies. Everyone has heard of the Wizard of Oz but very few know that Baum wrote a dozen Oz books, stage plays, and a great deal else. Including the lovely Enchanted Island of Yew which features a cross-dressing heroine, with whom the rescued princess falls in love. Then there was the Tip/Ozma switch, which stopped many children's librarians cold in decades back. (And there are some very, very unfortunate racist bits in Baum as well.)

Thirty years ago I would have thought Jane Austen's resurgence impossible to predict. But that's another tangle that includes not only media, but the resurgence of silver fork novels, which are inextricably tied to Austen just because of the period.

Impossible to predict who will have staying power among our generation, but I am hoping that more women are read, and older ones discovered, with the digitalization of text. I know I've been able to gain access to so many more writers since the net . . . gone, I am grateful to say, are the days when I had to wait twenty-five years before I could get a copy of Mrs.Gore'sPin Money that I could afford/

[identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com 2014-05-10 05:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah, re forgotten, how about Leslie Whyte, and McCutcheon?

I hope Anthony Hope won't be forgotten. The Dolly Dialogues are one of the consistent delights of my life, warts and all. It's the graceful wit that even manages to disarm the rampant snobbery.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2014-05-11 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Hope is one of the 'difficult' writers, because, like Dumas, he was popular. But he's interesting, I agree. And the lost women.. Yes: there are too many women writers who were allowed to vanish simply because they were women. I had terrible trouble finding Elizabeth Taylor's novels, because she was largely forgotten. I haven't read Davys or Haywood, and only a little Aphra Behn (and why are the plays of her male contemporaries still being staged but not hers?).
Jane Austen never lost traction over here, I think, even at the height of structuralism, because she's a staple of school curricula, along with Chaucer and Shakespeare and Dickens.

[identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com 2014-05-11 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
A very good question re Aphra Behn. Now I'm trying to remember the title of the one that has her introduction saying basically, "Hey, you people love raunchy wit when the guys do it, why is it so bad when the writer is known to be female?"

[identity profile] gillpolack.livejournal.com 2014-05-11 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
I still read Beerbohm. He belongs to the same group of comfort reading as Priestley and Chesterton and Wilson. I was curious to find Angus Wilson as 'forgotten' - obviously my reading habits aren't the same as the writer of that article. I think I've only got one book by Wilson, though, for he was someone I enjoyed reading, rather than a prime favourite.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2014-05-11 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I read Zuleika Dobson and thought it was hilarious: a rather more barbed Wodehouse. And yes, on Wilson.
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[identity profile] al-zorra.livejournal.com 2014-05-10 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Judging by my lit classes and the first women attorneys in Albuquerque New Mexico at the start of the 70's, Jane Austen has never gone away. Her works -- all of them except perhaps Persuasion -- it was so long ago I don't quite recall -- were on the list of 100 books (filled with non-fiction titles too) that all NORTH DAKOTA high school students were expected to have read before starting college, no matter what they were majoring in.

Love, C.
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[identity profile] al-zorra.livejournal.com 2014-05-10 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Rebecca West got a great big boost when the wars in the rapidly turning former Yugoslavia began in the 90's, as her Black Lamb and Grey Falcon was just about the only book in English that provided any history of the region.

I'd read it, she preens, back in my undergrad combined history and lit major, having taken two semesters of Balkan history taught by one of the founders of the by then long defunct League of Nations.

Love, C.

[identity profile] ms-cataclysm.livejournal.com 2014-05-10 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Favourite eclipsed writers include F Tennyson Jesse, Saki, Ernest Bramah and John Masefield. I suspect that Muriel Spark is slipping too which is rather sad.

I prefer Becky Sharp to Little Nell and suspect I'm not the only one.

[identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com 2014-05-10 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Mmm, Ernest Bramah. I did love Kai Lung - which I found, of course, courtesy of Peter Wimsey and Harriet Vane - but even then (early '80s, this would be) I did have the feeling that he was in mid-vanishment. Certainly I was the only one of my tribe who was reading him.

[identity profile] gillpolack.livejournal.com 2014-05-11 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
Heaps of my local friends read him, some read Saki, and John Masefield is one of my much-treasured writers. I would love to see these eclipses on a map - I wonder if they aren't regional or according to what group one mixes with. The other possibility is that I read a lot of near-dead authors, which is unlikely...

[identity profile] ms-cataclysm.livejournal.com 2014-05-11 03:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I love Masefield for his completely unsanitised ideas about suitable topics for children's fiction -cross-dressing sea captains and the best way to survive hanging or being marooned in an open boat anyone?

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2014-05-11 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Me too, on Becky and Nell. Dickens' women... shudder. And it would be a shame to lose Spark.
I suspect Bramah is now 'difficult' because of cultural sensitivities. Same is true of some of Godden. Both were accomplished and gifted writers and immensely sympathetic to the cultures they wrote about, but they were outsiders with attitudes that have dated (and deservedly so) and it can show sometimes.

[identity profile] pwilkinson.livejournal.com 2014-05-10 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
One author who I am worried is in the process of being forgotten is Mary Gentle.

Going a fair bit further back, one author I never expect people to have heard of is Frank R. Stockton, a late 19th century fantasy writer - very occasionally, I am pleasantly surprised.

And here is a quote from even further back from an essay on much the same topic as the Guardian article:

'How do you like your heroes, ladies? Gentlemen, what novel heroines do you prefer? When I set this essay going, I sent the above question to two of the most inveterate novel-readers of my acquaintance. The gentleman refers me to Miss Austen; the lady says Athos, Guy Livingston, and (pardon my rosy blushes) Colonel Esmond, and owns that in youth she was very much in love with Valancourt.

"Valancourt? and who was he?" cry the young people. Valancourt, my dears, was the hero of one of the most famous romances which ever was published in this country. The beauty and elegance of Valancourt made your young grandmammas' gentle hearts to beat with respectful sympathy. He and his glory have passed away. Ah, woe is me that the glory of novels should ever decay; that dust should gather round them on the shelves; that the annual cheques from Messieurs the publishers should dwindle, dwindle!'

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2014-05-11 06:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes: far too many people are ascribing to more recent writers insights and methods that Mary Gentle originated or expanded. I find this regrettable too.

[identity profile] anna-wing.livejournal.com 2014-05-12 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
Elizabeth Taylor has been reprinted recently. Book Depository lists several of her books. Stella Gibbons too.

My favourite forgotten author is Samuel Shellabarger. Several of Sabatini's and Weyman's were reprinted a few years ago. Persephone Books has brought a lot of Victorian and early 20th century writers, mostly women, back into print.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2014-05-12 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Persephone are an excellent publisher: I hope they flourish and grow!

[identity profile] anna-wing.livejournal.com 2014-05-13 11:14 am (UTC)(link)
I find their cookbooks particularly fascinating. Though I wish they would reprint some of Hilda Leyel's.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2014-05-13 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Historic cookbooks are very interesting: my mother has some from the early 50s and what they reveal about levels of wealth and levels of skill is fascinating.

[identity profile] anna-wing.livejournal.com 2014-05-14 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
I have an absolutely fascinating one that was written for colonial spouses in India during the Raj. It would be tremendously useful for all those people writing half-baked steampunk.
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[identity profile] debbiegarnet.livejournal.com 2014-05-22 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I like both the work of Alexandre Dumas and his son.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2014-05-23 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, Dumas fils wrote some good stuff, and is rather overlooked these days. I like him too. (Dumas pere is my all-time favourite.)