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la_marquise ([personal profile] la_marquise) wrote2013-09-19 11:26 am
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The women genre doesn't see

You taught us: girls should be seen (prettily) and not heard, and we learnt to listen and be polite and nice and charming.
And you blame us now, when we fall back, for not speaking out.

You taught us: nice girls don't show off, and we learnt to keep our abilities and ambitions low key and out of sight.
And you blame us now if our achievements go unrecognised, for not drawing attention to our work and reprimand us if, with our courage in both hands, we do self promote, for being pushy and strident and inappropiate.

You taught us to be helpful and supportive to others, and we learnt to put you first at all times.
And now you take our help and support and labour for granted.

You taught us our value lay in our looks, and we learnt to hate our faces and bodies.
And now you call us vain or trivial and judge everything about us by our looks.

You taught us our anger is ugly and unacceptable, and we learnt to squash it down inside, to turn it into depression and eating disorders, anxiety and pain.
And now you call us emotional and unbalanced and irrational.

You taught us we come second, and we learnt to lose gracefully and put ourselves last.
And now you blame us for being doormats and tell us we should be more assertive.

You taught us our ambitions and dreams were silly and we learnt to release them or put them off
And now you tell us we should have tried harder.

You taught us we had to wait our turn, and we politely stood in line.
And now you tell us we're too old.


Yesterday was a bad day: I was running on very little sleep and in pain, and the internet was full of spite and anger, over reviews, over Evil Old Fans, over women who speak up and male authors who object. Over lack of diversity and prejudice and abuse. All day I watched men complain and demand, and women of all ages try at length to find answers and compromises, to help, to support, to nurture, to explain, to ameliorate. And the men ignored them or said 'Not good enough.' I noticed the Very Important Men interact with each other and reflect each other and ignore all female input, unless it came from a very small selection of Women Who Matter, who were almost all young, pretty and successful, and usually also white and heterosexual and able-bodied.
I saw, in particular, older women of all races say and do intelligent, positive things, and be ignored. And I saw men of all ages tell those older than them to step aside, and then mansplain when those same older women raised issues of ageism. 'Oh, don't worry,' they said, 'we'll honour women. Look over there, at that young hot woman. It's okay, we're on your side.'
On our side if we are young and hot (in face or form or talent.)

There is no end to patriarchal and racial dominance while debates are controlled by white men and while entrances are guarded by them. There is no equality when only one elite group controls what equality means. Equality under the hand of the privileged leaves their privilege intact. It comes at a cost not to them -- which it should -- but at the less privileged groups who surround them.

I spent most of yesterday fighting this fight, neglecting my writing, clamping down on my physical pain and the emotional pain building inside.
I have your backs, all you men who want things. I was trained to serve.
When in Nine Hells will you have mine?

[identity profile] anna-wing.livejournal.com 2013-09-19 11:57 am (UTC)(link)
Why should you have the backs of people who don't have yours? What are they offering you that's worth your being their ally? And also, what can you offer them that is worth their being yours? Alliances exist to further mutual interests. No mutuality, no alliance.


All day I watched men complain and demand, and women of all ages try at length to find answers and compromises, to help, to support, to nurture, to explain, to ameliorate.

Why bother? My generation was taught that in colonial situations (which approximates quite well to what I think that you are describing), power is taken, not given. The goal is not to change the enemy's mind. You don't need to convince them of anything, except that their interests will suffer if they don't accommodate yours.

What can you deny them, that they want or need to have? Are there actions with real-world financial and reputational effects that can be organised to deal with your concerns (I don't know the specifics to which you are referring, sorry, so none of this may be relevant, obviously)? Boycotts and other kinds of economic and political pressure? Complaints to people's employers? Complaints to your MP or local authorities? Legal action, whether civil or under the criminal law? Setting up separate organisations altogether (permanent boycotts, in other words)? What are your opponents' weaknesses and where can they be hurt enough to be forced to pay attention to your concerns? Or can they be by-passed altogether and other routes to your goals be found? Are there other gates, whose keepers can be persuaded that their interests coincide with yours?

Edited 2013-09-19 12:07 (UTC)

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-09-19 12:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Sadly, the financial implications are on the female side, and we need to deal with this for our own professional progress. But we have almost no power -- about the only thing is refusing to review or promote books by men, which a lot of women already do. But since men listen to men, mostly they don't notice.

[identity profile] ms-cataclysm.livejournal.com 2013-09-19 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
It still seems to be the sexist seventies in writing circles. Apparently, science fiction means writing about the future while stuck in the past.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-09-19 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
That is a wonderful way of putting it :-)

[identity profile] anna-wing.livejournal.com 2013-09-20 06:00 am (UTC)(link)
Is this prejudice from publishers and editors? What is the strength of women in those parts of the industry? A long-term plan to increase their numbers might help.

Women don't seem to face these problems in any other genre. Would it be possible to try marketing works there instead? Yours could be sold as serious YA or even magical-realist mainstream, given the appropriate blurbs - "a subtle, coming-of-age parable of the development of political agency in a colonialist society" or something like that. Reviewed in The New Statesman or current equivalent.

[identity profile] jemck.livejournal.com 2013-09-20 12:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Ironically, there are plenty of women editors in UK/US SFF publishing - doing their very best to expand the genre. The problem really is a many-headed hydra.

I've written a couple of pieces trying to untangle it -

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2011/09/05/everyone-can-promote-equality-in-genre-writing/

http://www.fantasybookcafe.com/2013/04/women-in-sff-month-juliet-e-mckenna/#more-3203

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-09-20 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
The problems seems to be in the buyers for book chains, and in the reviewers and the marketing types, insofar as I can tell. The editors are lovely (and many of them are women). It may be a cultural thing, too.
And thank you. Alas, the serious press is a bit above me, I think.