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la_marquise ([personal profile] la_marquise) wrote2011-12-09 04:01 pm
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Bl**dy Tories

Today's veto has really depressed me. Not the detail, but because of the triumphalist Little Englandism that it has brought crawling out of the woodwork. We need Europe to secure our long-term future. This isn't about 'sovereignty', it's about kow-towing to Big Capital and it's needs. The US won't support us even if we wanted it to (and opinions vary on that). I am sick and tired of the triumph of prejudice.
Off into the Word Mines to carve out some more Red Fantasy. A bas les aristos!

[identity profile] mizkit.livejournal.com 2011-12-09 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
We need Europe to secure our long-term future

See, this is what I think. England's behavior is really bizarre to me. I mean, I understand (if not exactly appreciate, if you know what I mean) that the problem here is big business capitalism, but because I persist in actually believing people are more important than profit, Britain's choices remain utterly bizarre in my mind.

But then, I also think that in the long run the only way humanity has got much chance is under a global federal government system of some sort, and I see the EU, for all its flaws, as a wonderful potential starting point for that. Similarly with the federations of smaller nations who are actually trying to do something about climate change, etc, because frankly, if we do not all hang together, we shall most surely hang separately, as the good man said.

[identity profile] shewhomust.livejournal.com 2011-12-09 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
You are, of course, right not to get caught up in the detail; and yet the thing that particularly, personally depresses me is hearing Sarkozy say that Europe won't give in to Cameron on failing to regulate the financial sector which got us into this mess in the first place - I'm agreeing with Sarkozy, how much further can I sink?

Thought you might find this interesting

[identity profile] mojave-wolf.livejournal.com 2011-12-11 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
http://www.ianwelsh.net/perhaps-the-only-thing-cameron-will-ever-do-that-i-agree-with/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IanWelsh+(Ian+Welsh)

refusing to sign on board for European control of member state’s fiscal policies. Such control in the current context (forced austerity) is a recipe for outright, extended depression. Cameron may be throwing Britain into depression all on his own, but not signing away control to Germany (and be clear, in this context, European means German) was the right thing to do, even if he did it for what appear to be all the wrong reasons.