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la_marquise ([personal profile] la_marquise) wrote2013-04-25 12:39 pm

Why I started #Womentoread

So, yesterday I decided to indulge in another round of that intermittent habit, poking the internet with a stick, by starting a hashtag -- #womentoread -- over on Twitter. I asked people to recommend sff by women. The response was astonishing: I'd hoped that some of my friends would pick it up, but... One of the very first to do so was [livejournal.com profile] seanan_mcguire (Thank you, Seanan!) and it just took off. All afternoon (my timezone) and well into the evening, people were naming their favourites, exchanging names and recommendations and ideas. It was huge fun and the enthusiasm and engagement and excitement was just wonderful. I am profoundly grateful to everyone who joined in and help this happen. Towards the end of the day (my time) writer Harry Connolly ([livejournal.com profile] burger_eater) gave me the idea of capitalising on all this momentum by linking it to a series of blogposts about specific women writers and post links to these pieces on twitter using the hashtag. (You can read Harry's article here.) I've written about women writers whose work I love before, of course, but the problem has been that relatively few people saw them -- mainly my existing social circle and readers. And that is a key issue for many women writers: underexposure. But the hashtag, as I said, has some momentum, so this seems like an opportunity to try and raise the profile of writing by women and to address that underexposure to some degree.
But why now, exactly. I've done something like this before (last year with the fantasy by women thing). That's part of it. I am an activist to my bones: it's coded into me to try and *do* something when I see an injustice. And I know far too many really great women writers who are underrated, under-reviewed, under-recognised. I see male writers praised for doing things in books which women did before them, which women are doing as well as them -- but the women are ignored and sidelined. It is a fact that books by women are reviewed less frequently than books by men, and that prestigious review locales pay less attention to women than men.
This year's review survey came out two days ago. During the day, my twitter feed was full of men -- many of them high-profile and influential -- decrying the under-representation of women writers in reviews (and I am very glad to see them recognising this and commenting on it) but immediately going back to talking about, promoting and praising works by other men. Last week, [livejournal.com profile] jemck found ourselves in a major branch of a major UK book-chain in Oxford and noticed a promo table for fantasy. We're both fantasy authors, we took a look. The theme was clearly 'If you like George R R Martin, try this". It was a table about 4 foot x 4 foot square, piled high with fantasy. Great.
Except... all but three of the writers represented were men. And of the remaining 3 -- the women -- two were not epic fantasy writers but established Big Name Bestsellers -- Stephenie Meyer and Suzanne Collins and the books by them on that table were both sf. That's fine. I love sf by women. But those two books -- The Host and The Hunger Games weren't there because they were 'like' A Game of Thrones; they were there because they're already bestsellers in a related field. The other women present was an epic fantasy author and a good one -- Robin Hobb. Who has a gender-neutral name.
I'm not saying the men on that table aren't good: there were some excellent books there, by excellent writers. There were also books by men I've never heard of, which are quite probably also excellent books. But the overall impression was 'This is A Man's World'. Jules and I started making a list of who was *not* on that table, of women who are epic fantasy writers and published in the UK.

Kate Elliott
Judith Tarr
Freda Warrington
Gail Z Martin
Trudy Canavan
Karen Miller/K E Mills
Glenda Larke
Cecilia Dart-Thornton
Gaie Sebold
Juliet E McKenna
Tanith Lee
Amanda Downum

That was in about a minute. Now, you can argue, very reasonably, that some of those women are out-of-print here (but you might like to think about how they came to fall out of print in this context, given that contracts depend on sales, sales depend on exposure -- and women do not get the exposure).
A table that censored women from a genre.
A twitter feed that decried a wrong -- and then went back to the male default
I saw red. At some point on the 22nd April, I asked, rather wistfully, if we could declare the next day -- yesterday -- promote women writers day. I got two responses, both from women, saying, yes, lets, and so...
I did.
You can see some of the responses and recommendations here. You can find more by going to twitter and hunting for the hashtag #womentoread.
You can share the idea. You can write a review of a book by a woman. You can blog about a woman writer you admire. You can post a list of links to the websites of women writers you love. It doesn't have to be ep;ic fantasy or even sff. It can be any genre. And then, please, go to twitter and tweet that link with the #womentoread hashtag. If you're not on twitter, post the link here in the comments and I will tweet it for you.
This isn't about me. I know how it can look, I'm a fantasy writer. But really, it isn't. This is about all those fantastic women writers whose books I've treasured for years, about Tanith Lee and Evangeline Walton, Judith Tarr and Kate Elliott, Anne Gay, Storm Constantine, Sherwood Smith, Rumer Godden, Juliet McKenna, Barabar Michaels, Elizabeth Goudge, Liz WIlliams, Dion Fortune, Sheila Gilluly, R A McAvoy, Barbara Hambly, Leah Bobet, Sarah Monette, Justina Robson, Amanda Downum, Claudia J Edwards, Sharan Newman, Freda Warrington, Stephanie Saulter, Lisanne Norman, Jaine Fenn... I could go on and one and on. Some of those writers are long-established, some are out of print and out of contract, some are new, some are dead. But they are all great.
And me? Later today I'll be blogging here and on my website about a woman whose books were a lightning bolt to my writing world, Nancy Springer.


PS: another interesting piece on the gender imbalance in reviews here

[identity profile] controuble.livejournal.com 2013-04-25 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
And neither your SF nor your epic fantasy list have my favorite - a woman who writes both - Elizabeth Moon.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-25 12:20 pm (UTC)(link)
She's wonderful, and yes, she's another one who should have been on that table.
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[identity profile] taldragon.livejournal.com 2013-04-25 12:06 pm (UTC)(link)
i'd just like to thank you for #womentoread, for doing this, for the names i hadnt heard of (and those i had) and for Living With Ghosts & The Grass King's Concubine :)

i'm grateful too, to the women who write awesome sff (whatever sub-genre) and to the libraries i use/d for stocking their books!

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-25 12:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank *you* (embarrassed now).

[identity profile] shewhomust.livejournal.com 2013-04-25 12:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I believe that the way books get onto the promo tables in major chains is that the publishers pay for it - which is a whole other can of worms (and a fraud on the reading public, but that's a quite different grievance).

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-25 12:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yes. And the bulk of the promotional spend goes on male writers... Part of the vicious circle.

[identity profile] booksnhorses.livejournal.com 2013-04-25 12:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Nancy Springer. Love her books and the amazing covers don't hurt either. Looking forward to reading what you have to say about them.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-25 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
She's brilliant. And yes, those covers... Wow.

[identity profile] marina-bonomi.livejournal.com 2013-04-25 12:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I started a thread on Kindle Boards, a forum of e-book addicts. I'm curious to see what other names pop up: http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,149540.msg2169907.html#msg2169907

Thanks for starting this

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-25 01:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank *you*. That's wonderful.

[identity profile] anna-wing.livejournal.com 2013-04-25 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Kate Griffin, who started writing about magical London well before Ben Aaronovitch and a number of his inferior imitators. Waterstones in Piccadilly did shelve her prominently as a London writer, though.

[identity profile] mevennen.livejournal.com 2013-04-25 01:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for doing this. Has anyone mentioned Linda Nagata, who is now writing again after an economically-induced hiatus? Also Lisa Tuttle and C J Cherryh - may have been mentioned already but I could not see them.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-25 03:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I think so, but more mentions help and links to articles, reviews etc are also good.
And thank *you*
Btw, might I phone you this evening?

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[identity profile] chilperic.livejournal.com 2013-04-25 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Bujold has written some wonderful fantasy, of course. Violette Malan? And I can't see mentions of Katherine Kerr or Robin Hobb...

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-25 03:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Please add them, and any links about them.

[identity profile] asakiyume.livejournal.com 2013-04-25 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Athena Andreadis just edited an anthology (The Other Half of the Sky) featuring women protagonists in science fiction, and many of the contributors are up-and-coming or established women writers in the genre, including Aliette de Bodard, who was much-nominated recently, and Nisi Shawl and Alex Dally McFarlane. My own reading of all these writers is very limited--but the anthology itself seems like a great thing.

Women seem better represented and better acknowledged in fantasy, maybe?

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-25 03:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I have that on my wish list.
Sadly, the exclusion crosses both sf and fantasy -- women get less promotion, fewer reviews and far less attention.

[identity profile] yvonneh.livejournal.com 2013-04-25 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Ursula Leguin
Gwyneth Jones

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-25 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Both fabulous writers

#Womentoread

[identity profile] rose prescott (from livejournal.com) 2013-04-25 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Having started decades ago with the mysteries, fantasy, and science fiction of Andre Norton I am always ready to read any woman author who's books and stories I see. Currently reading one by Mercedes Lackey given to me.

Re: #Womentoread

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-25 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Norton was a great writer and a real pioneer in sf. I love how she creates such believable aliens and worlds.

[identity profile] pwilkinson.livejournal.com 2013-04-25 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
To think just of books published in Britain during the last twelve months - why wasn't Mary Gentle's Black Opera on that table? Didn't they have it in stock? (And if not, why not?) Or did they just not think of it? Even if it's not her strongest work, it's still good - and, ten years ago, any recently-published Mary Gentle book would have been a strong candidate for inclusion in that kind of promotion.

So far as Jo Walton's Among Others and Cat Valente's Deathless (and for that matter The Girl Who Circumnavigated Fairyland...) are concerned, the reasoning would presumably by that, while they are fantasy, they are not epic fantasy. But even so...

Though, while I doubt that I'm going to have time to do any significant blogging in the next few days, if I do write about anyone, it's likely to be about an author most of whose works never received British publication - Paula Volsky (now, I believe, writing as Paula Brandon).

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-25 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Mary Gentle should definitely have been there. I guess the promotions budget wasn't there for her book.
And the idea is international, so Paula Volsky is a fine candidate.

[identity profile] deborahjross.livejournal.com 2013-04-25 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Hooray, hooray, for you for doing this!

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-25 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
You and Sherwood and others have been tirelessly doing this for years already.

[identity profile] aberwyn.livejournal.com 2013-04-25 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
You are so right to point out that publishers have to pay to put books on those tables,as well as on the end-of-aisle displays, and of course, they pay for any decorated cardboard bins at the front of the store. And to put books on the counter near the cash registers.

I've heard over and over that they'll only spend on male writers because "men don't buy books by women". That women buy books seems irrelevant to some marketing people, or so it seems. And certain many men DO buy books by women.

So if they don't promote a woman's books, and if those books therefore don't sell as well as a man's books that they do promote, the marketers then take that as a sign they were right all along to not "waste money" on promoting women. The circle is very vicious indeed.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-25 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yes. The privilege trips us at every turn.
Your books belonged on that table, d*mn it. All the best epic fantasy writers I'm aware of are women and not one of them were there. Plus there's the whole issue of things men get credit for -- complex interpersonal relationships in fiction, political depth, real consequences -- which women also do (and in some cases, as with Mieville and Mary Gentle, did first) but are ignored or forgotten or even upbraided for it.
Bah.

[identity profile] jhghendriks.livejournal.com 2013-04-25 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I would like to add:
Diana Wynne Jones
Nora Jemisin
Lois McMaster Bujold
Karen Mahoney
A.C. Crispin
Juliette Marilier
Jacqueline Carey
Tamora Pierce
Michelle West Sagara
Janny Wurts

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-26 11:09 am (UTC)(link)
Those are all excellent writers. And Carey and Jemison belonged on that table in the bookshop. (Diana Wynne Jones and Tamora Pierce are marketed as YA or childrens', and the others on that list aren't currently published in the UK.)

[identity profile] birdsedge.livejournal.com 2013-04-25 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
And:
Karen Traviss
Lisa Shearin
N.M.Browne
Patricia Briggs
Patricia Wrede
Linnea Sinclair
Rachel Caine
Holly Black
Anne Aguirre
Diana Pharaoh Francis
Sally Prue
Naomi Novik
Genevieve Valentine
Barbara Hambly
Una McCormac
Rae Carson
Elizabeth E Wein
Cassandra Clare
Cassandra Rose Clarke

And did anyone mention Jaine Fenn, Freda Warrington and Sherwood Smith already?

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-26 11:10 am (UTC)(link)
I must read Ann Aguirre. You keep mentioning her and we have similar taste in books.
And yes, those are some fine writers.
Jaine, Freda and Sherwood have all been mentioned several times.

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[identity profile] reynardo.livejournal.com 2013-04-25 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Hello! Total stranger here, recommending Zenna Henderson.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-26 11:10 am (UTC)(link)
Hello, nice to meet you!
I love Zenna Henderson. A really innovative writer who does not get the recognition she deserves.

[identity profile] ext-1774347.livejournal.com (from livejournal.com) 2013-04-26 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
I was directed to this post by Kate Elliott's Facebook feed. Because of it, your books have moved up my "to-read" list by quite a bit. Actually, quite a few of the books on that list are by authors already mentioned. I hope you're able to keep a master list of the recommended authors for reference.

I don't have a twitter feed but I did write up a blog post about this, with a recommendation list of female sff authors that I have enjoyed. I also included some perspective from my time as a bookseller.

My post:
http://cognitiveperegrination.blogspot.com/2013/04/female-authors-in-sff.html

I hope it's useful.

[identity profile] xenaclone.livejournal.com 2013-04-26 07:28 am (UTC)(link)
Ursula LeGuin
Tove Jansson [and no cries of "kids' stuff!!")
Robin Hobb
Liz Williams
Tanith Lee
C J Cheryh (love the Morgaine's Gate saga)
Anne McCaffrey (I told her I want to come back as Killashandra Ree!)
Jane Yolen
Gillian Horvath [Highlander)

ETA Jane Espenson (Firefly, Dollhouse, Husbands, Once Upon a Time and Warehouse 13!!!)
Edited 2013-04-26 07:30 (UTC)

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-26 11:11 am (UTC)(link)
Tove Jansson hangs the moon.
And I shall henceforth imagine Killashandra as you :-)
Those are all fine writers.

[identity profile] rj-anderson.livejournal.com 2013-04-26 12:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Megan Whalen Turner and Elizabeth E. Wein would also belong on that table, in my estimation: the same twisty, intense and sometimes shocking interpersonal relationships and the complex layering of plot and counterplot should appeal to the same readers who enjoy those things about GRRM. But in this case Turner and Wein would be doubly damned for being published in the "juvenile" instead of "adult" market. Which is a shame, because I know of no adult who's read those books who would dismiss them as childish.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-26 01:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes: that division is another problem. And women seem to end up on the wrong side of it... Those are two more wonderful writers.

#women to read

[identity profile] booksnhorses.livejournal.com 2013-04-27 11:26 am (UTC)(link)
Hi. I've done a blog on Julian May on my livejournal page (http://booksnhorses.livejournal.com/1498.html) but I don't have a twitter account to stick it on.

Re: #women to read

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-29 09:55 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I've tweeted the link.

[identity profile] gillpolack.livejournal.com 2013-04-29 01:37 pm (UTC)(link)
One strange virtue about being in Australia is that female spec fic writers are everywhere. Panels at the NatCon were mostly female (on the short story panel, for instance, the only male was Jonathan Strahan, who was there as an editor) and the writing Ditmars were won mostly by women. Bookshops automatically have books by Trudi Canavan and Jeniffer Fallon in places of prominence. But reviews are still skewed towards male writers, by and large.

A new writer came up to me and asked me about women's writing, and looked over at the dance floor (it was during the masquerade) and said "All of them, over there, dancing wildly." It was a sobering moment though, for, despite the prominence of women right now in Australia's spec fic, he had to ask.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2013-04-29 03:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I was very heartened by that Ditmar list, and the Australian scene surely goes some way to show that women write good sf and fantasy which can be and is enjoyed and recognised by bothy women and men.
On the other hand, that young writer.... He was expecting men, I guess, and that is saddening -- the default of 'male' is still there.

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[identity profile] sylviamcivers.livejournal.com 2013-05-07 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
If I hadn't known Sherwood Smith was a gal, I'd think she was a guy from most of her books. And I've read most :)