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la_marquise ([personal profile] la_marquise) wrote2012-10-08 04:20 pm

On duty, censorship, fantasy and madness.

So two things I read last week have set me thinking. The first was this post on principles by Nancy Jane Moore at the Bookview Cafe website. The second was a question posed on twitter by [livejournal.com profile] kateelliott on twitter. Two proposals, two remarks -- 'the first thing a principle does is kill someone' 'do you self-censor and why/' -- that spoke straight to my core, to that part of me that sits back and tries to drive. To, if you like, my madness, and the ways in which I work with, through, around the world.

I've talked before about rules and how they accrete in my head. I am trained to accept rules, to be mindful of them, to be, I suppose, law-abiding. I'm trained to be, as the tag sometimes notes, a Professional Good Girl. Professional Good Girls keep to the rules and remember all the things their friends and relations and acquaintances don't like, don't want, don't approve of. Professional Good Girls end up with a head full of voices telling them about all the things they are not allowed to do. Don't say X or do Y, because person P hates that. Don't think Q or wear R, because person S doesn't like them. Don't think the mean things, even in the space inside your head, because Good Girls don't. Good Girls sit still and accept the blame, the pain, the anger, because Other People matter more than they do.

It's not an easy space, being so Professionally Good. And that's just the bit about what I'm allowed to do and say and think.

Then, there's Other People. Other People have more rights than me. Other People are more important. Other People must be pandered to, served, obeyed, deferred to. It gets, frankly, tedious. Especially when all this Goodness and deferring runs up against a principle.

You see, I believe in principles. Principles matter. Principles are the flood defences, the storm shelters, the shields that hold back cruelty and injustice and unfairness. Principles stand between us and the madness of pure, unbridled self-interest. In my head, anyway. Principles matter to me, because they are at the foundation of who I am, of what I believe. I may be, as my friend M once said, the last old-fashioned socialist in captivity, but that's fine with me. I'm proud of my principles. It matters to me, to stand by them.

I don't want to bore you explaining what my particular principles are. That's another post. But the thing that caught my attention, between Nancy Jane Moore's blog post and Kate Elliott's question was this: what happens when the rules and the principles collide.

The answer is fairly simple. I get into hot water. Any time I have my throat exposed in public, any time I post one of my rants or long commentaries, you can be pretty sure that a rule and a principle have met. The last time I really got into an on-line mess? That started because I felt that a third party had been harmed, and should be defended. That's one of the principles, you see. I cannot stand by and let someone else be bullied, harmed or undermined. However much I hate conflict -- and I do -- I am not allowed to look away, because someone has to do something, and I can't be sure that anyone else would. Because Good Girls help. This particular behaviour -- which is a rule and a principle (It Is My Duty To Help, combined with Bullying shouldn't be condoned) has been getting me into trouble my whole life. But I can't unlearn it. In my head, that need -- that duty -- to stand up for others is bigger than any inconvenience or pain it may cause me, however much it may frighten me. In my head, it's never right to put my self-interest or comfort ahead of the need of others who are less privileged than me, who are being belittled or dismissed, who are being treated unjustly. I may, alas, be the stuff of which martyrs are made. It is my duty -- and my sense of duty is harsh and strong and unrelenting -- to speak out, to act, to Do Something, because somebody has to, but the only person I can be sure will is myself. It doesn't make me nice to know, sometimes. It certainly doesn't make me comfortable, to myself or others. There's a piece of me that empathises on some level with that cold, principled, unkind man Robespierre, who on a number of occasions chose what he considered the common good over his own wishes and desires. (I don't agree with his policies. But, pace Simon Schama, he wasn't a monster, only a man driven to his extremes by his harsh, unforgiving principles. Saint-Just may have been a monster.) Principles can be hard, and cold and even cruel. But they matter, because without them, the tentacles of selfishness grow too strong.

This attitude of mine is, frankly, somewhat annoying. It drove my teachers mad 'don't get involved'. It used to drive my colleagues mad, because I would insist on asking the questions that the powers that be did not want asked. It drives the marquis mad, because I get myself into messes and arguments. It drives me mad. I am harsh on myself, and, sometimes, judgemental of others. I am bound up with ideas of duty that drive me bonkers. But I can't not do it.

And yet, I self-censor. I think most people do, in one way or another. There are lots of reasons. Other people's privacy, for instance. It's not up to me to decide what to say, what to reveal, sometimes, when others are involved. Rules -- those noisy things that infest my head. There are things I don't say, because I know it will upset or annoy or distress others. There are a handful of things I don't say because I don't want to deal with the consequences. There are things I don't write about because I feel they are better expressed face-to-face. And there are lots of things about which I don't think the world really needs my opinion, where I don't know enough. None of this means I don't care about those things. But I have chosen not to join in.

And then there are the ones that make me angry. The places I self-censor because of the Rules. The places I am silent because I've been taught that I Am Not Allowed. Don't say X, Kari: Y won't like it. Here's a list of things I self-censor not out of principle, not for any of the reasons above, not even entirely out of fear, but because someone else's voice is too loud in my head.

American exceptionalism
Gun control
The Labour plan for I.D cards in the UK
Scottish Independence
Julian Assange
Private education (in certain circumstances)
My own blasted country and its history
Why I really, really don't enjoy sunshine and heat

In a sense, none of this matters. Except... One of my principles is that I should not silence others. Silencing someone, particularly someone who has less power, or less privilege, is never good. Free speech -- if you believe in that (and I only do up to a point, because I live in the UK which has different rules on hate speech to those of the US, say) -- must be granted to all participants in a discussion, not just those with the loudest voices or the biggest sticks. Any statement that begins 'Your opinion doesn't matter because...' is a warning sign. It's an attempt to control, to dominate, to insist on a single story. Other people may well be right or they may well be wrong, but they should be listened to with respect.

Which brings me, in a roundabout way, to fantasy -- and to sf, for that matter. Principles are out of fashion right now. Since the 80s, at the latest, we have lived, in the west, in the realm of the Individual. It's all about Us. Heroes are mavericks, doing it Their Way. Other people have to get on board or be run over.

I'm generalising, of course I am, but a lot of current sff is about personal success, personal goals, personal achievement. Even when this is set against a background that refers to improving conditions for others, the latter is very much a sideline, an also ran. The focus is on the hero and how -- while saving The Suffering -- he or she achieves personal gratification and happiness. There are very few heroes who walk away from their own interest for the sake of others. Sacrifice is as unfashionable as principles. You have to go back a way to find examples. Galadriel rejecting the one ring, and accepting that she must dwindle. Gandalf holding back the Balrog. Michael de Sandoval of Dorsai and his companions, holding the castle against high odds. The pilot who stays on board the dying spaceship to let others escape. These days, there always seems to be a get-out, a back door via which the hero escapes at the last minute to enjoy the glory. A happy ending, yes, but it's a cheat. Principles are not easy. Duty is not easy. And when we don't show that, when we cheat, we undermine them, we reduce them to toys and poses. We undermine their value and their importance. And we reduce those acts, those choices made by the characters to just high-jinks and flash. The story becomes all about the hero. The poor who are always better off under the stable-boy king become no more than window dressing, because they don't really matter to the plot. They are just there to make the hero look good. In a sense, such fantasy is dangerous, because it makes change look easy and cheap, and it seldom questions the idea that what really matters is the individual getting what they want. This kind of narrative silences the underprivileged, the poor, because it reduces them to tokens, subordinate to the personal success of the chosen few. They have no agency. They are a voiceless mass, awaiting rescue, and nothing more. That, frankly, is a pretty patronising approach. And this story -- Wam the trainee pilot saves the galaxy and becomes admiral -- is a lie. It's never that simple. History shows us that, over and over.

In the real world, self-interest and the interests of others will conflict, probably on a daily basis. Uncontrolled, unchecked, it leads to exploitation, deprivation, huge social inequity and the Conservative Party (also the US Republican party) (Yes, my personal political prejudices are showing). Greed is not good.

There's a reason why Yvelliane makes the choices she does in Living With Ghosts. A number of readers didn't like those choices much. They wanted her to live happily ever after. In the very first draft of that book (which was hugely different to the final version) she did. And everyone got ice cream and kittens. (Or, all right, that's not the case.) It was a rotten draft and a rotten ending. I was lying to myself, offering fluff and nonsense. Power comes with responsibility, and responsibility should -- must -- be shouldered. It's a matter of that cold thing, principle.

And it matters. It should matter in our genre, because books have power. Books effect those who read them, though seldom in the ways the authors expect or intend. When we omit people or belittle their experience, we harm them. When we imply that following our own self-interest is all that matters, we contribute to a culture that grows ever more selfish and unkind and unfair. PRinciples may be out-of-fashion, but they have a lot to offer us.

And there are authors now who still speak of them, write of them, write with them. Patricia Bray, [livejournal.com profile] pbray, whose heroes do what they must, what is right, in the teeth of their own wishes and needs. [livejournal.com profile] kateelliott, who writes about the effects of war and wealth on ordinary people. Ken MacLeod. Walter Jon Williams. Aliette de Bodard, [livejournal.com profile] aliettedb. Lois MacMaster Bujold, sometimes. The comforting ending, the personally advantageous decision are all too often not the best. The stable-boy king or space admiral is not really a hero, if it's All About Him. Because the world is always bigger than us, bigger than the hero. And that should be remembered.
Edited to add: Ursula K LeGuin has written about principles today, much more insightfully than me: http://bookviewcafe.com/blog/2012/10/08/restraint/
Skirt of the day: denim.

[identity profile] a-d-medievalist.livejournal.com 2012-10-08 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I also love this post. I also like it better than LeGuin's, because you are speaking about an "us", while she manages to distance herself from "them". As another PGG and also Professional Elephant Spotter (as you well know), I know that horrible feeling of hearing some of the voices scream not to say anything while at the same time compelled by Duty to say something. A colleague of mine used to say people like us were the Truth-Tellers. It's not always appreciated. I haven't reached a point where I am comfortable with it, either.

But...

I have developed some ways of dealing with it better. I don't usually worry about whether standing up for principles will jeopardize my relationship with someone else, BUT I *do* weigh the costs of my relationships with others. Does it make sense to argue with someone who is convinced s/he's absolutely right, if it will hurt my relationship with friends close to that someone? Not so much. Now if they *do* something wrong that hurts other people? I'm less likely to restrain myself.

I have found that it's far easier to speak up for principles at work or in public, rather than amongst friends. But I still try to count to 10 first, just to share the target with someone else.

But this is something you should remember, I think. Even though it causes problems, and even though people who feel the need to speak out end up with lots and lots of flak wounds, we often meet some of the best people and become friends with them precisely because we spoke out, and recognized each other -- even when the principles might not be exactly our own, there's something attractive about integrity. It's the kind of reward I can live with, and for most of the people I know who are like you, it's the kind of reward that reinforces the principles, the willingness to examine one's motives, and keeps a person reasonably humble about being right. Those are all good things in my book :-)

[identity profile] ms-cataclysm.livejournal.com 2012-10-08 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I found the original White House "restraint" menus on the web. Apparently the menus were published to popularise the plan and make it as enticing as possible to ordinary Americans who had already had Meatless Monday and Wheatless Wednesday initiatives through the war years.

Perfection salad was a salad set in jello but I'm not sure about coffee mallow.

Ordinary Americans would have had much simpler meals but it's not as if anyone was being asked to starve themselves.

Tuesday, luncheon--grapefruit, cheese souffle, buttered peas, grilled tomatoes, chocolate pudding; dinner--clear chicken soup, broiled salmon steak, scalloped potatoes, string beans, sauteed eggplant, perfection salad, sliced peaches.

Thursday, luncheon--corn soup, peppers stuffed with rice and mushrooms, lima beans, glazed carrots, baked apples; dinner--melon balls, baked ham, baked sweet potatoes, asparagus, cauliflower, green salad, coffee mallow.

[identity profile] jemck.livejournal.com 2012-10-08 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
did you (all) see the piece in The Guardian about changing signs in English Sign Language as younger users reject old signs that they now consider based on offensive ideas, especially racial characterisation?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/oct/07/british-sign-language-changing?INTCMP=SRCH

A bit of a tangent but sort of relates to self-censorship.

[identity profile] mevennen.livejournal.com 2012-10-08 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
It is an evolution, but language will never be nailed down, which is where attempts to consciously control linguistic use are doomed to failure. Friends in their 20s who would be aghast at earlier racist terms will happily refer to people as being 'special', i.e. 'special needs,' and it's obviously not a compliment.

[identity profile] mevennen.livejournal.com 2012-10-08 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Strewth. How does that compare to rationing? My late partner remembered seeing a banana once when he was a kid.

[identity profile] gillpolack.livejournal.com 2012-10-09 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
We need more writers, for the issues are big and uncompromising. I am by nature and nurture a Professional Good Girl, but have been learning that other peoples' lack of awareness of consequences mean that I have to put myself in the picture or not exist at all. I no longer accept the invisibility aspect, but the rest - absolutely. We need cultural models for dealing with impossible situations. We need explanations that allow for the common good. We entirely and absolutely need societies where alertness and care for others is everyday, not exceptional.

A politician once said to me that writers are key to longterm social change - the ideas you articulated express precisely why this is so.

[identity profile] kateelliott.livejournal.com 2012-10-09 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
That's right. It's an interesting dialectic between word and behavior that links up to that whole balance between intent and action as well.

Which is better? To "say the right words" but act the same old things, or -- as you say -- to treat people with respect? Obviously both are preferable.

[identity profile] anna-wing.livejournal.com 2012-10-09 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
Good manners and discretion in speech and conduct are not the same as either dishonesty or self-censorship. Self-control is what differentiates adults from children.

I fight the battles that I think that I can win, or where my intervention makes a significant data point, or where, even if I don't win, my intervention will make the other side more mindful in future interactions. I am utterly with you on dislike of heat, though sunshine is rather nice when the air is cool.

Change your "Rules". You're a professional writer, not a professional anything else.

[identity profile] ms-cataclysm.livejournal.com 2012-10-09 08:08 am (UTC)(link)
It does shine an interesting light on the initiative doesn't it? I'm assuming that it's effectively the White House cafeteria menu for all staff and that people would select dishes but in quantity it's probably more than an average week's ration.

Which is pretty much the point you were making about preaching v practice.

I've tried to find a contemporary occasion menu from Britain

I found this :

http://www.woolworthsmuseum.co.uk/BlackpoolMenu1941.html

and this :

http://www.edgarcove.com/rowing1942-2010.html

and this:

http://1940sexperiment.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/the-oslo-meal/
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[personal profile] yalovetz 2012-10-09 08:13 am (UTC)(link)
This is very interesting to me, because I have never felt a conflict between rules and principles. I think I always examined rules to see if I could figure out how they grew out of underlying principles. If I couldn't see how a rule grew from some principle then I ignored the rule. So, to me, rules (or rather, the ones I accept as valid) are simply concrete expressions of principles.

Which isn't to say that there aren't different ways in which principles can be instantiated in rules and consequent conflicts. But, for me, such conflicts don't represent a rule/principle opposition, but something more tangled and complex.

I think I also have a different relationship to the concept of self-censorship. There are lots of things I don't say and lots of things I can't say. But self-censorship implies that the natural inclination is to say things and that the self-censorship kicks in to prevent that natural inclination being expressed. My own natural inclination is to think things. Saying them is a secondary step that has never come naturally. So rather than having to exercise self control and reign in what I say, I find that I struggle to do the opposite, to force myself into vocalising thoughts that I usually keep silent.

This does relate back to principles. Like you, I do feel like there are things I ought to speak out on. But for me, the conflict in doing so is not a conflict with rules, it's a conflict with my own inclination to not speak.

I don't know exactly how this relates to fantasy. But I do know that I'm attracted to stories that in some way manage to articulate some of the things that I find myself unable to say. I also know that I'm attracted to stories where the rules of the fictional world are expressions of underlying principles (including ethical principles) and where characters live conflicted and complex lives in which the rules and principles get tangled and messy. In fantasy terms, I'm most likely to find this in fiction based in fairytale, myth, and legend.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-10-09 08:38 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, yes. I feel much the same, in fact. The scheme here was poorly designed in a lot of ways and probably unworkable, but it caused a huge -- and in my view only unnecessary and rather self-interested -- fuss.
Note to other readers: I will not have a discussion about this on-line. We can talk face-to-face.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-10-09 08:40 am (UTC)(link)
I'd go with respect as the key: I've met too many people who say the right things but demonstrate that their doing so is all about looking good, and that they are, in fact, more prejudiced by far than they appear. In my ideal world, people are polite and respectful because they feel that way!

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-10-09 08:40 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I'm glad it's useful, too.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-10-09 08:41 am (UTC)(link)
Not in the slightest -- they are good points and well made.
And I am right with you on the evangelical atheists.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-10-09 08:42 am (UTC)(link)
The Quakers, by and large, are wonderful people.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-10-09 08:44 am (UTC)(link)
It's extremely painful. I have topics that I would never, ever raise on-line, because they have the potential to cause immense pain and difficulty to people I care about. Most of this, in my case, is family related, but some of it goes into areas that are bigger. In my case, I wouldn't be banished forever, but there would be a great deal of anger, suffering and not-speaking.
Sympathy.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-10-09 08:54 am (UTC)(link)
That's very sad. And very difficult. But with family, yes, sometimes we have to put the relationship first.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-10-09 08:56 am (UTC)(link)
Nobody liked that first draft. (It had almost nothing in common with the final book, apart from some of the names and, I think, the scene where Thiercelin is visited in his bedroom by Valdarrien's ghost.)
As to Devlin... Those books should be required reading for anyone who wants to know what fantasy for grown-ups about grown-ups looks like.
Edited 2012-10-09 08:56 (UTC)

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-10-09 08:57 am (UTC)(link)
I admire you hugely for what you did in that circumstance.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-10-09 09:00 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, I think you're right.
I've burnt some bridges, over the years, because I *would* speak up -- this was always on issues where I felt a group with less power were being harmed or might be harmed. I think you're very sensible -- and much kinder than me -- in taking a step back, sometimes. But it's not in me. If someone does something really (in my view) egregious, I can't bite my tongue. I've had some big fights with friends over the years. But mostly they accept that this is what I'm like, thankfully.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-10-09 09:05 am (UTC)(link)
I do not understand how people who don't think others matter function, I really don't. It's a place where my imagination just fails me, because I can't see how they can live with themselves, and don't lie awake at night riddled with guilt.
And yet, talking about principles and so on is not only old-fashioned, it can sometimes be inflammatory -- 'How dare you impose your morality!' -- which I do understand on some level, but I despair at the refusal to listen and the assumption that principles are the same as narrow moral codes, or merely an expression of some kind of puritanical, punitive ideology. I think the latter is a con trick pulled on us by the likes of Ayn Rand, deliberately making a false equation and promulgating it.
No-one should be made invisible for the ease or convenience or comfort of others.
And yes, we need more people to speak up and write. But how? I can see the barriers being built already.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-10-09 09:06 am (UTC)(link)
No, indeed. But sometimes being polite can mere tolerating or ignoring something you dislike, and that can be problematic.
You are, as ever, very sensible!

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-10-09 09:11 am (UTC)(link)
My rules are a consequence of my upbringing and the way I'm wired. I don't tend to believe many other people are wired that way. The conflict is about my trained responses to be 'good' and my sense of the need to be just, if that makes sense. And I have a sharp tongue, and a quick one, sometimes, because I am very much my mother's daughter.
The marquis is more like you: he thinks and is often silent. I find it admirable, most of the time, because he still gets things done and makes his position clear. You are, I think, both more grown-up than me.
And yes on books. It ties together in my head because I am seeing so many books in which characters, to me at least, seem to have the emotional maturity of 14-year-olds, and in which individual success and satisfaction is presented as the only real goal. Which I find faintly sinister.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/ 2012-10-09 09:12 am (UTC)(link)
Those look rather good! (Apart from the jellied salad.) But large. I would probably be happy with the soup and some of the vegetables.

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