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So there's yet another list of vital SF -- all by white men, some of them dead. I don't want to shout at the author or host site. There are plenty of people doing that already, and it's not likely to be productive.
Instead, let's compile a list of cutting edge sf by other writers -- writers of colour, women, QUILTBAG writers, white male writers who aren't Anglophone or from currently dominant cultures, non-binary writers....
My suggestions include Nnedi Okorafor; Nisi Shawl; Aliette de Bodard; Dung Kai-Cheung; Justina LA Robson; Tricia Sullivan.

(The list also omits some really major white male Anglophone writers, who should be credited, including William Gibson and Walter Jon Williams. That is bad, too.)

I'm also doing this on FB and there's a #CuttingEdgeSF tag on twitter.

Skirt of the day: blue flags

Date: 2016-02-15 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mevennen.livejournal.com
Fuck me fucking sideways.

I am sorry. This is the first thing that comes to mind, Why in God's name do any of us bother?

Date: 2016-02-15 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancinghorse.livejournal.com
Because the Big Truth can work the same way as the Big Lie. Say it often enough, say it clearly enough, provide enough evidence, refuse to be ignored or silenced, and very gradually some of it sinks in.
Edited Date: 2016-02-15 07:26 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-02-15 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/
I do wonder, sometimes. But Judy is right.

Date: 2016-02-15 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hrj.livejournal.com
I had a similar reaction: as always, other people will do his homework for him and at the same time will come off looking like whiners for saying anything in the first place.

Date: 2016-02-16 10:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/
That's one of the reasons I decided not to comment there. He's behind the curve: we're over here celebrating all the great writing out there.

Date: 2016-02-15 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doubtingmichael.livejournal.com
So... not even obvious people like Ursula LeGuin or James Tiptree Jr? That's really weird.

Date: 2016-02-16 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/
No LeGuin, no Delany... It's a really limited, retrograde list.

Date: 2016-02-15 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dhampyresa.livejournal.com
What, not even Ursula Le Guin got a mention?

Slightly OT, but I am curently reading St├ęphane Beauverger's Le D├ęchronologue and it is AMAZING. It's pirates of the caribbean + time travel and I was expecting laser guns or whatever, but the first tietravelling item we see is A BOX OF QUININE and that's when I kew I was a goner.

Date: 2016-02-16 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/
That sounds fabulous: I will look out for it :-)
And yes, no LeGuin. No Mary Shelley, for that matter (it's a really out-of-date list). I was stunned.

Date: 2016-02-16 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dhampyresa.livejournal.com
It's got a non-linear narrative, too, so currently the PoV character/narrator is dying, fighting Alexander the Great with time canons, joining up with Native South Americans to fight the Spanish, ruling a floating city because Europe is fucking gone and South America/any landmass is going the same way, narrowly just escaped what might be an aircraft carrier/the Flying Dutchman... It's GREAT. It's been ages since I had this much fun with a SF book.

(For what it's worth, there's been a trend for uchronias/alternate histories in French SF recently and while admittedly all the others I've read -- and I've read a lot -- have been comics, this one is still the best one so far.)

I didn't mean to derail the post, since apparently the post only referred to AI (going by other comments), so sorry if I did.

Date: 2016-02-17 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/
You are not derailing at all! All suggestions are welcome and needed: I don't like the boundaries we create in genre. They tend to be used to exclude, not include.

Date: 2016-02-17 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dhampyresa.livejournal.com
I read much less SF than I do fantasy -- and most of what I read in French is comics -- but I may get off my butt one day and post a list of French SFF books I loved through the years. We shall see.

Date: 2016-02-18 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/
I hope so! I'd love some recommendations for French books (and comics).

Date: 2016-02-15 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com
Oh, this is so depressing, but not surprising.

Well, I'm going to continue reading other writers and talking about their books as much as I can. And not linking or referring to such lists.

Date: 2016-02-16 10:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/
Precixsely. Your piece on BVC is a wonderful counterweight to this piece.

Date: 2016-02-16 08:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saare-snowqueen.livejournal.com
I read that post. Another tedious mishmash of same-old, same-old mired in ignorance, by an old cis white man. BLERG!

Date: 2016-02-16 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/
Yep. And someone who isn't flexible in their understanding of the field, which is really sad.

Date: 2016-02-16 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mevennen.livejournal.com
I don't think he is particularly flexible on his understanding of AI and I have said so.

Date: 2016-02-16 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mevennen.livejournal.com
The reason I don't write much about AI, in which I have a postgraduate degree, is that from a SFnal point of view, it's boring. It's useful as a plot device, but the issues around it have already been explored in SF and done to death, IMO. The current hot potato is Watson, but that's not much more interesting to me than the chess playing programmes of the 1980s.

Date: 2016-02-17 11:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/
I can see that. This is why I'm always dubious about writing historical fiction. It's not as exciting as people think.

Date: 2016-02-16 11:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
Sigh! :o(

Date: 2016-02-17 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uk-sef.livejournal.com
I'm not sure I necessarily know which writers are non-white but I can get a hint of which ones on my bookshelves are/identify-as women from their names. Eg Connie Willis. Plus a few more probably included tell-tale photos or bios, even before the era of Googling people. Is this limited to SF novels or similar rather than SF film/TV scripts?

Date: 2016-02-17 11:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/
It's books, at present but the tv and film writers are also important.

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